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  • dallas

    I agree with Jason….and for the one person named Lucy with a y…. I have lived in the oak cliff area for 47 years not 33 and beleive me Oak Cliff was well maintain and looked as good as Highland Park…..back before the mexicans came to this area..truth be told not racist but like he says face the facts people ……look around now at the areas …trashed out…….is what is so obvious …or you are blind

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  • Guest

    I’m still of the opinion that this complex needs to be mixed (from low to middle) income to thrive in this area as a somewhat self-sufficient endeavor, but it would appear that more people are concerned with genericizing the area rather than preserving what makes an area worth improving to begin with.

  • Anonymous

    You’ve presented your generalized, anecdotal musings as being indicative of falsifiable sociological trends, but there’s a very distinct line between bias and fact. That’s the problem with your argument — not the supposed incompatibility of political correctness and not the realities of life in a neighborhood primarily populated by a minority group — the fact that you’ve erroneously stretched your intuited presumptions across a group of peoples in an attempt to confirm your bias. Your conclusion leads your thesis. It’s a lazy, mushy-headed logical failure.

    The bearer of facts has the unwelcome onus of having to actually present them to the skeptical audience. Surely you aren’t actually glib enough to believe that South Dallas is full of low income housing because such squalor is endemic to people who live and work in the area? Life tends to be a bit more complicated than that,  and Dallas, in particular, has shown itself to be famously reluctant to divert funds toward the maintenance and expansion of our more impoverished areas. You don’t build a responsible citizenry by tossing all your money into the wealthy neighborhoods and waiting for the rest of the population to wake up and work harder, not in the face of systemic imbalance.
    Hell, Oak Cliff is a microcosm of the Dallas paradox itself – South Oak Cliff is to North Oak Cliff as Oak Cliff proper is to West Village. It’s a constant, painful struggle.

  • Luci

    I moved to uptown when I got my big paying job 11 years ago and supposedly that was the place to live but then it became full of crime. My husband and my car got broken into.  A lady was murder going to her car.  Guess what this Mexican moved out of that neighborhood so quick.  I moved back to Oak Cliff home.  Yes, you are so right new people are trying their best to get rid of the current people.  I had one white lady and Hispanic lady approached my father when he was attending to my lawn asking if he wanted to sell his house.  My father listened and asked questions in Spanish, and then I came out and he said “Why don’t you ask my daughter since it is her house,” in English the ladies’ facial reaction was so funny.  I told them are you trying to buy my home because you know the property will go up with all the new development.  I told them this property or any other is not for sale.  My neighbor was sitting on his porch stood up and applauded and he asked them do you see for sale signs on our homes, no you don’t so leave.  I think we should just all get along and don’t see what race we are, and make Oak Cliff our home as it has been for many years. 

  • AG

    I simply hate to see 3, 4, and 5 story apartments tightly packed in all over Oak Cliff.  The impact on W. Davis, Winnetka Heights and L.O.D is going to be negative, in my personal opinion.   Not all development is progress. 

  • Jasonm

    Isn’t it inconvenient when facts about the world turn out to be racist facts? 

    Then you are left with a choice between being a BIG FAT RACIST and living in denial of reality.  Since no one in 2012 America can afford even a slight chance of being labeled a BIG FAT RACIST, it’s much easier to live in a hazy fog of reality denial.

    Juan’s response was much more persuasive than yours, by the way — I guess Mexicans are better at analytical reasoning than the Irish! THAT WAS A JOKE.

  • jmcsweeney

    They might as well claim it to be in the Bishop Arts District, which some people have stated the Texas Theater is in.

  • jmcsweeney

    Lo siento about the “y” Luci i was just typing fast. Looks like we are the same age so we have probably seen the same kind of changes happen. Maybe its not a white or Mexican thing, but it is a hatred of poor people especially. The new people moving in want to get rid of the poors as fast as possible and they dont support any new businesses or housing that makes it easy for the poors to access.

  • Luci

    All of these is considered to stereotyping.  By the way I don’t spell my name with a “y”.  I have lived in Oak Cliff for over 33 years and never have I seen it to be a white or Mexican thing, but I guess times are changing.  For Jasonm there goes another stereotyping Mexicans because you are uneducated person.  Anyone can throw numbers out there but you show me proof of that 90% of low income Hispanics.  If Oak Cliff is full litter, graffiti, poor-maintained homes, and low-performing schools…Can I ask what are you doing here then?  I love the beauty of Oak Cliff the old homes, probably not all maintained to my liking, the children coming out to play when it is nice outside, saying “Hello” to my neighbors in Spanish or English, and walking down the street and the stranger saying “Hi” to me.  This is what Oak Cliff is all about and has been for all the years I have lived here. 

  • juan a mexican

    I never stated Oak Cliff was
    without its faults, and I completely see your point of view.  I understand that the bottom line for most is
    money, but to just insult me with blanketed statements about Mexicans is being
    stereotypical and racist.  There are many
    neighborhoods with litter, graffiti, poorly maintained homes, and
    low-preforming schools– that are not typically “Mexican” neighborhoods.  I have to agree with Sweeny, a statistic is
    just that, a statistic.  I live in Oak
    Cliff, but work in a city outside of Dallas County, the majority of the people where
    I work are “non-Mexican” and for that matter non-minority; and the situation is
    worse than Oak Cliff.  I understand that
    money drives our property values, makes us to be better citizens, and makes us
    happy especially when we decide it’s time to sell and move to the other side of
    the bridge when our kids are old enough to go to school, but Oak Cliff is not
    going to change overnight.  In the last
    10 years it has gotten better, but we are far from the Knox/Henderson section
    of Dallas, or the Little Mexican neighborhood of Downtown.  We first have to have businesses who are
    willing to come down to Oak Cliff, and the only way that is going to happen is
    if we stop going to the other side of the bridge for everything and start
    investing here.  So in that instance I
    too am happy it’s not an apartment building for “low-income” people. 

  • Barry

    Wow….
    That’s considered Winnetka Heights now?
    Sure does sit completely within the L.O. Daniel Neighborhood lines.

  • jmcsweeney

    You dont have to use statistics to qualify your racism. 

  • jmcsweeney

    I was actually be factitious with my comment. Very sorry Lucy and Juan and anyone else who was offender. I was just translating what the first two commenters meant.
    I am white and grew up in Oak Cliff and it is really weird to see all of the white people move in and immediately want to change it. I guess they like the cool old houses but are scared of the people who live in those houses. 
    Believe me Lucy even if you have a great job and an education these yuppies are going to see you as “low income” because you are not as “sophisticated” as them.
    Also please stop calling them “hipsters”. They are not hipsters. The only hipsters in Oak Cliff are mexican. I should know,m they are all my brothers friends.

      

  • Jasonm

    Juan, it’s a matter of numbers and statistical inference.    If you go to the places in Dallas that are 90% Hispanic, what do you find?   A lot of great people, and also a lot of litter, graffiti, poorly-maintained houses, low-performing schools, and hence lower property values.

    Show me a 90% Mexican neighborhood where the houses are well-kept, the dropout rate is low, and the public streets are free of litter and graffiti, and I’ll show you a place where people don’t get upset about “Mexicans.”  Unfortunately, I don’t think a neighborhood like that exists in Dallas, as far as I know, but please prove me wrong.

  • Luci

    You should be ashame of yourself for that. Oak Cliff is not uptown and I hope it never turns into it. By the way Mexican are educated and are wealthy too. We, I am Mexican, are not all low income. I am tired of this racist that has been going on lately in Oak cliff especially regarding Mexicans. Sorry we have been here and loved Oak cliff the way it has been don’t try to move in and kick us out.

  • Luci

    You should be ashame of yourself for that. Oak Cliff is not uptown and I hope it never turns into it. By the way Mexican are educated and are wealthy too. We, I am Mexican, are not all low income. I am tired of this racist that has been going on lately in Oak cliff especially regarding Mexicans. Sorry we have been here and loved Oak cliff the way it has been don’t try to move in and kick us out.

  • Juan a Mexican

    Really. I like how blatantly racist you people are. I understand that everyone is worried about property values and such. But the reality is that oak cliff is not Knox Henderson nor some other neighborhood that has had a “whitenning” effect. These things take time.

  • Juan a Mexican

    Really. I like how blatantly racist you people are.

  • jmcsweeney

    i mean too many mexicans lol

  • jmcsweeney

    I also hope that not too mexicans move in to these.

  • No. They are high-end apartments like the new ones you might see on North Henderson or in Uptown.

  • HOME OWNER

    wow I walked my dogs there last night…..Hopefully these wil not attract low income people.  My house is on Waverly and I want to make sure the value continues to go up…